Contents

1 Radio 2 Education 3 MSNBC firing 4 Problems with the quotes 4.1 Notice of intent to delete quotes 09.19.04 4.2 Another notice of intent to delete quotes 4.3 Tsunami quotes 5 Problems with external links 6 Claim to have coined Islamofascism

Radio

Actually, I rememeber him starting on KGO radio as a substitute host, before getting his own show on KSFO.

Education

I could have sworn i heard him talk about how he had a phd in anthropology. what the hell?

Can you supply cites for him being a a noted epidemiology and nutrition expert? -- The Anome

Google for - "Michael Savage" epidemiology - brings up:

http://www.radioprogramrecorder.com/Savage/SavageGuide.htm

Quote: He has Master's degree in medical botany and one in medical anthropology as well as a Ph.D. in Epidemiology and Nutrition Science.

Evercat 13:33 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Seems to be a bit Anti-POV, I'd try and fix it myself, but I don't like the guy either. Cvaneg 20:52, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

If you could explain what makes you think that facts about his college degrees are NPOV, it would be greatly appreciated. (You typed Anti-POV, i'm guessing you meant Anti-NPOV) --RW 00:10, 2004 Nov 26 (UTC)

MSNBC firing

The call that lead to Savage being fired from MSNBC was a prank call by some clown who calls himself "East Coast Bob". He is known for trolling television and radio talk shows. I doubt that "East Coast Bob" is actually gay. I am therefore updating the article to reflect this.

Problems with the quotes

Where are the links which prove the accuracy of the quotes? [[User:Rex071404|Rex071404 ]] 07:38, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The quotes section is malformed in comparison to the same type of section at Ann Coulter. There are no links. Is someone trying to pull a fast one by omitting links? It has been over 10 days and I am still waiting for an answer.

[[User:Rex071404|Rex071404 ]] 23:06, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

A lot of the quotes are taken out of context. A job of editors to clear that up though. You can make everyone look like the devil this way! Keep up the good propaganda!

Yeah, Quotes 7, 8, and 9 are taken way out of context. I would appreciate it if someone could give these quotes a bit more context and provide web sources for the quotes. --RW 05:55, 2004 Nov 7 (UTC)

Notice of intent to delete quotes 09.19.04

If my above inquiry about missing quote links continues to go unanswered, I will be unable to dailog prior to making edits to the quotes section. As it stands now, I am planning to delete most (or all) quotes which have no links. [[User:Rex071404|Rex071404 ]] 23:08, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Sources are cited at the bottom. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 01:08, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

The "sources" cited are not links and in that regard differ from every other Wiki article I've edited or read which had quotes. Please support this method as being valid here or else I still intend to delete the quotes. [[User:Rex071404|Rex071404 ]] 01:11, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

There are perfectly valid sources that are not available on the internet. Books, for example. Libraries are full of them. This is simply not a valid reason to delete something and I object to deleting anything on that invalid basis. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel ] 01:18, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Huh, that's odd. Quite frequently, both Gamaliel and Neutrality have made clear that the only references they accept are actual links to web sources they consider valid. All of a sudden they've changed their minds? I'll have to remember this and hold them both to this new standard next time they complain to me. [[User:Rex071404|Rex071404 ]] 01:51, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Untrue. Please show me where I claimed that non-web sources were unacceptable. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel ] 01:54, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

That's not exactly what I said. What I said was that only those actual links which I have used as a referrence which you guys consider valid escape your wrath. Perhaps I could have said that clearer. It is true that I have not tried to use non-web referrences, so of couse, we have not locked horns on that - yet. Even so, It's interesting to se that you havee takene position that such non-web referrences are ok. I'll have to start persuing my bookself more carefully for tidbits which make interesting anecdotal highlights. [[User:Rex071404|Rex071404 ]] 01:59, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Sorry for misunderstanding. Allow me to be clearer as well. I think it is acceptable to object to the validity of a questionable source. I do not think it is acceptable to object to a source merely because it is not web-accessable. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel ] 02:07, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Cite sources. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel ] 01:41, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Leave quotes alone, instead balance them out with POSITIVE quotes, which granted may be hard to find (personally i think he makes conservatives such as myself look bad) but should be included for NPOV balance. Alkivar 04:32, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Alkivar, can you post book and page number of that quote you changed? Thanks :) --kizzle 05:57, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

i didnt change the quote... i changed the reference TARGET ... poster had Red Diaper Doper Baby as a reference to Jews when in fact it is a reference to Liberals in general. read the context in any of his books and you'll see. Alkivar 02:28, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

no I know what you mean, i was just curious to read for my own sake what he wrote...if you know the page # it would speed my search up :) --kizzle 06:37, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)

Another notice of intent to delete quotes

If valid web links are not provided for these sources, and if these negative quotes are not balanced out with positive quotes, then I will delete the quotes section as it clearly violates NPOV rules. The deadline is January 25, 2005. --RW 00:48, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)

Sorry, it doesn't work like that. You don't get to set deadlines. If you think this article needs "positive" quotes, then find some and insert them yourself. If you think particular quotes should go for whatever reason, then we can discuss that here. As noted above, the lack of a weblink is not a valid reason to delete a quote or fact. Non-web sources are perfectly valid and acceptable sources. Gamaliel 01:19, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Good, we have some web links for those quotes now, thanks to whoever added those. Now we've got to find a site that has some positive quotes to balance it out. Maybe some quotes about how much he likes puppies. (Actually, I'd be satisfied if the quotes were just put in a larger, less damning context) --RW 00:05, 2004 Nov 26 (UTC)

I don't unerstand what the issue is here. Do you people not believe that he would say those things? And if he's said them, what need is there to "balance them out with positive quotes?" Those ones do a very good job showing what kind of person he is.

Tsunami quotes

• Why is the last quote dated January 32, 2001. That's three years before the tsunami. Was it a different tsunami? Saopaulo1

there is no such thing as January 32. it was a mistake, it is from this past tsunami. 10:20, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Problems with external links

These links don't provide a NPOV. jm51 01:36, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

please sign your comments. you can use ~~~~ to show name and date. Alkivar 01:37, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

also these links are balanced. Some are positive, some are negative. Your gonna have one HELL of a hard time finding any sites other than Mike's homepage that show him in a positive light. Alkivar 01:37, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

7 of 9 show savage in a negative light. 1 is neutral. the other is savage's home page. jm51 01:42, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

do a google for yourself on Michael Savage, you get his homepage (positive), and no other positives in the first 40 results. I personally Like the guy but even I admit there aint a whole lot of positive shit about the guy. Alkivar 02:09, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

7 of 9 is not a NPOV. Maybe they should be deleted, or put in a rebuttal section, like on michael moore's page.

I think your missing my point. There WOULD be others to balance it if I could FIND any. Rather than simply debating POV with me, how about you HELP me balance it?.

The same goes for the quotes section also listed as NPOV. If i could find any decent neutral or positive quotes/ coverage to balance it would already be on there. Rather than removing 60% of the page content (and risk its shot at our <sarcasm> wonderfully designed </sarcasm> VfD system) I feel its better to simply leave whats there remain. From a simple glance one should KNOW its POV. Alkivar 06:13, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

http://www.thesavagenation.com/ http://www.geocities.com/thesavagenation/savageunderground.html how are those for a start? quotes: "I guess people love my show because of my hard edge combined with humor and education" "Those who listen to me say they hear a bit of Plato, Henry Miller, Jack Kerouac, Moses, Jesus, and Frankenstein. I pull many of my life experiences, including that of father, son, husband, brother, ice cream factory worker, busboy, lifeguard, writer, scientist, and my huge library of books." -- michaelsavage.com how are those for a start?

real good, thanks. thesavagenation.com was linked before, I think it probably got deleted in one of the defacements. nope it was deleted as obvious advertising spam, site is nothing but click thru banners for amazon.com Alkivar 01:31, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't know about Rammstein, but I've never heard of Metallica or Motley Crue being liberal or socialist

i think lars ulson of metallica spoke out against the war on iraq. as for rammstein, they like to do homosexual acts on stage, which wouldn't agree with savage's beliefs. 69.42.5.198 02:52, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Claim to have coined Islamofascism

I've put together a timeline of claims of coining the term Islamofascism: User:Chalst/islamofascism. Michael Savage has repeatedly claimed to have coined the term: when did he first use it? I've got a partly documented usage from Oct 2002, but I guess he used the term earlier: anyone able to tell me when first? Thanks ---- Charles Stewart 13:14, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)